LIVE from Transworld's Halloween & Attractions Show 2024
Transworld’s Halloween & Attractions Show is the largest trade show for our industry, where tens of thousands of haunters gather yearly in St. Louis to shop, network, and learn. Scott Swenson and I sat down on the final day of Transworld to...
Transworld’s Halloween & Attractions Show is the largest trade show for our industry, where tens of thousands of haunters gather yearly in St. Louis to shop, network, and learn. Scott Swenson and I sat down on the final day of Transworld to discuss our thoughts on the show, and today, I’m playing that conversation for you. This episode originally aired on our companion podcast, ‘Green Tagged: Theme Park in 30.’ Support for this episode comes from Gantom Lighting and Controls. See what you’re missing with a free demo. Subscribe to everything from the Haunted Attraction Network here.
0:08 Relive some of the best moments from this year's Transworld Halloween Attraction Show that's coming up on today's show. Welcome to the show. I'm Philip on the HN Show. We bring you the news and information you need to prepare for Halloween. This show is one small part of what we do, and the best place to find everything is our free weekly email newsletter. Check the link for that in our website or in the show notes. Transworld's Halloween an Attraction Show is the largest trade show for our industry, where tens of thousands of Haunters gathered yearly in Saint Louis to shop, network and learn. Scott Swinson and I sat down on the final day of Transworld to discuss our thoughts on the show, and today I'm playing that conversation for you. This episode originally aired on our companion podcast, Green Tagged at the Park and thirty, but it's definitely something that belongs here. Here we go in three two one live from Saint Louis. This is Green Tagged at Theme Park in thirty. We are here at the Tear Dog. They're tearing down the trans as we speak, as we are recording this very episode. They are taking down the Transworld Halloween, Christmas and Immersive Experience show right behind us and below us. So shame you can't see it. Yes, yes, we went out through all the trouble of arranging this glorious studio. We thought it was a great place and the right above tour, but then we realized that, you know, you can't see it because they it's okay, it's okay. I didn't want to stand for thirty minutes so you could see that's okay. Yeah, well it's
1:40 okay. We can barely stand at all right now. So the purpose of this show is to kind of talk a little bit about what it is or why you should attend shows like this, whether it is this trans World show or whether it is any other you know, trade show in the industry. Really it doesn't have to be Halloween themed or Christmas themed or any of those things. But I think one of the first we have to recognize is when you go to a show of this magnitude and of this size, by the time it's over, because we are recording this, like I said, just as the show is being torn down, by the time you get to the end, you're exhausted, and it's a running joke because I usually say you can hear it in my voice because I've been talking over Halloween animations and you know, trying to do trying to do business on a very busy and loud trade show floor, having people come up randomly and you know, and say hello and it's yeah. And then Philip, you've been you've been doing content creation for not only the show but also for the network. Correct you can see how you can see or hear how exhausted Philip is. I'm done.
2:42 Yeah. I was one of the co chairs and producing for the OSCARS event and then working for the show, and then also trying to do coverage of my own, and it didn't work out because I like Scott's plan better, which is to show up and let opportunities happen. And I was like, already had too much of a schedule before I showed up. And then it just got worse because what happens is, you know, you're going to this booth to get this testimonial for you know, the show, commercial or whatnot, and of course there are all the people Ben Armstrong and Michael you know, all these people who are different. You know they you have to wait. But then while you're waiting, then other people will find you and it just becomes well, yeah, the people worth getting interviews with. Yeah, everybody wants to get interviews with and they're very busy. And then you see other people and you don't move five feet and exactly exactly, well, yeah, the whole idea of not planning. So there's there's multiple ways to do this, Philip is the is the is the planner. But again, you also had specific stuff that you had to get accomplished here. Yeah, my approach actually came from a very dear friend of mine, and I know there are many listeners who knew her, a woman by the name of Robbie La Prix. Robbie would be I'm gonna be on the show floor from here to here, and then after that, we'll see what happens and we'll just let the whatever whatever may happen, happens. And that wait, it doesn't push anything out of the way. It doesn't, you know, adjust, It doesn't create the domino effect of you know, I'm gonna screw up my whole schedule. But there is so much to be done at a show of this size, and I'll be honest, this is this is probably the largest trans
4:15 World show I can remember. I don't know what the data is or what the numbers are, but the Halloween section was gigantic this year. The number of people here was huge, and so you know, congratulations to the trans World folks for getting for putting together this massive behemoth. And it's not just the trade show floor, of course, there's all these other events that take place surrounding surrounding the trade show, and it's because of all those that we get so incredibly wiped and exhausted. CA Yeah, it's this year. I agree. The show itself feels larger, and there feel and there's also seems like there's more people. And I know that it is physically larger because last year it didn't fit. It didn't fill the entire a convention center, you know, I mean there was like a few areas that were kind of you know, roped off or you know, and here this year, the Christmas section goes all the way to the end. There's the drone folks that were for any ADAYAPPA who were doing drone shows in the convention center at the back corner. And speaking of the mixers as well, you know, they do mixers for each segment so you have your Christmas mixers, you have here, so there's the big, big, the big Halloween party. Yeah, so there's the big things, the City Museum, which is kind of mixed of everybody, but then you had your interactive there was a whole interactive game, you know. So it's like each group has their own mixers. And then the show floor is also massive, so it's there's it's a lot, yeah,
5:46 and that's and then there's that's and that's just the officially sanctioned things. Then you've just got a bunch of people launters showing up and hanging out at the at the Marriott Hotel lobby. So uh yeah, yeah, So it's it's a there's, there's, there's, there's always something to do if you have the energy to do it. So yeah, I would strongly recommend trying to pace yourself as much as possible, only because you're not going to be able to So if you at least set out trying to do that, you might come a little bit closer. I don't know. I don't know, but the other things that we get from shows like this, and I know that Philip and I are coming from different slightly different standpoints here because we come to these shows for slightly different reasons, but one of the primary things for me is networking. It's a great opportunity for me to catch up with clients that I've had in the past, for me to help clients that I'm currently working with to see what the show is all about, and maybe because of my knowledge of certain vendors, or we see something together that they really like, I get a better understanding of what they're looking for and what they want to purchase, so we can work that into the creative and then of course there's always the possibility that I'll meet somebody who wants to work with me in the future. So it's kind of a it's kind of a great networking opportunity.
7:01 And I will say even more so than Ayappa, I think. I think this show it is easier to network because people will talk to you almost instantly. I mean, and they'll and they'll start a conversation just because they see that you have your your lanyard on, or or you know you're looking at you're both looking at the same prop I think it specifically, it feels like there's more relatability here absolutely, because Ayapa it is a very wide range. You don't know if they're a museum or an fec or if they're a consultant or a fabricator or a designer or Blue Sky or it is so many, but I think here there are all of those folks as well. But you all know that you are somehow involved in Christmas or Halloween. Yeah, there's a lens. There's a lens that you want, so you can already kind of you can kind of use that as a way to to you know, make it a little bit more approachable for people. And yeah, the networking, I wish I planned networking out more. I think I think Scott's approach of doing that is better. And you know a lot of people plan out dinners or plan to see their clients or in some way or another, and I think that I think a little bit of that is good. You know, I do networking by happenstance and and you know, and and you know, just I do have clients, and you know, my all my clients were here. And then it's that thing where it's it's like forced networking,
8:33 like I'm on my way to shoot a thing and then you'll see somebody who is like I want to have you come out and do stuff at our haunt this year, and you'll like pull you aside and we'll try and have that conversation. But it'd be it'd have been better to have, I think, have it a little bit more organized, rather than me just you know, catching them as I'm walking to something else. Sure, sure, So do you think do you think that I think I'm I think the answer to this is pretty obvious. But do you feel as though, in order to get all the stuff you wanted to get accomplished in this show, that you actually were over committed before you even arrived? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think it's a weird thing. So I actually talked to a few people about this concept where you know, some people I've only seen here at the show ever, right, but you've seen them for two or three years, but it kind of feels like you know them. And I was like, we really don't don't know each other. Actually we've only met twice, you know it. But it's that weird thing where I think so many people leave so much up to trans world and that they're like, oh, well, we'll catch you a trend, you know, there's always trans Like it's kind of like that thing and I'm like, well, you know, I think maybe we should try and do a little bit more before, a little bit more after. Yeahutely. Well, And to be honest, you know, I've been coming to the show for over twenty years and there are people that I only know from the twenty I've met them twenty times at this show.
10:01 At the show. Yeah, so yeah, I totally hear that. I Also, the other conversation that we have quite often with many people here is you realize we live really close to one another. Why don't we see each other outside of this show. I had that conversation at least twice that I know the the top of my head. Yeah, yeah, and we don't. The one thing I will say, though, that has been great, and I know Philip and I both experienced this is how many of our listeners actually came up to us and said, God, I love the show and we're really happy that you keep doing it. And so I know that we want to really thank you guys for coming up and saying hello and talking about the show and saying how much you enjoy it, because what that does is it allows us to and then you'll tell us what you like about it, so it helps us kind of make sure we're staying on we're staying true to why we do this show. And apparently it's working at least for those of you who are brave enough to come up and talk to us. And I really appreciate that. But I've had it happen, you know, several times, and I love it. I really encourage it. So if you ever see me, I won't speak for Philip because he's usually carrying a camera and trying to get some footage of something, please stop me. Though I do enjoy that, but just to keep your sanity, it's like, yeah, something I on that that I want to mention to. I think, if anything, this thing has gotten worse this year. But it's like I think that the best thing is to, you know, come to the show, but leave you know, opportunity room from but do what you can ahead of time so that you're not relying on trying to get so much done during the
11:33 show because it's too much. And also then you're gonna miss the networking and this stuff that's that's you can only get here. So for example, if you know what you're gonna buy, buy it before you get to the show and then pick it up here or you know, say hi to them, whatever, But but then use the show time to find those really new innovative things that you wouldn't have known about. But you know, if you know you're gonna buy an immortal mask and you're gonna these whatever, and you know you're going to do it, then order it beforehand. And I think that's a big thing I've noticed. It's gotten worse this year, where like the tried and true vendors, you know, the ones that you know we're going to deliver and that you've worked with before and then you know what to expect from those folks have sold out almost before the show opened because they had so much that came in the first day or that came in. They're well set up, and they've also they've also done you know with with premiere access or VIP access, people actually get into and I don't know why they did this last year because I wasn't here last year, but uh, there's people who have the premiere access or the VIP access, which is an up charge gets them into the onto the show floor sometimes two hours earlier, two hours earlier each day. So for the first three days there Frey Saturday, it's two hours earlier. Yeah, And the first day I talked to several vendors and I said, how do you like this? And they said, this is great because they had already justified financially being here, because they had already sold a significant amount of the of the stuff that they had brought. Even if
13:05 it was like display items, they would, you know, sell them within that first two hours. So if you're looking to, if you haven't purchased pre per just like Philip says, and you're looking to, you want to see it first, or touch it first, or talk to the vendor first, or whatever, make sure that you invest in that premiere access if you know you're gonna if you're coming here to buy, because that is certainly one of the reasons to come to a show like this is to is to buy on site. And it gives you the opportunity to not only buy on site, but also to see material that you've seen in a catalog or online or in some YouTube video of somebody else. You can actually be there, talk to the vendor and touch the product, see the product, see what it really looks like it's in its full regalia. But if you're going to do that, I strongly recommend getting that that premiere, that that premiere access because it gets you in early and stuff, as Philip says, stuff sells out really really quickly. Yeah, and I would agree. I mean that from talking to the visitors and the exit, talking to everybody. That is one of the largest benefits specifically to a thing like this versus like an iyapa, is that this is like the products that you you really kind of you need to know what that body looks like. You know, you need to know what the mass feels like. You need to these The Halloween is so such a tactile and such a you know, different experience that you need to you need to know, And I think that's that's really what people are looking for.
14:33 But you know, I guess I'm just saying, you know, you kind of already know to expect the quality of those folks distortions. You know that disortion is not going to give you something bad. You know that you're not gonna get something bad from immortal. I mean, just know these things. So I'm like, use the time to go to the things you're not sure about and verify completely and also find new people, because well, I mean, this is the thing we talk about to but just like there's only so much that can possibly be new by the nature of the business, correct, you know, because if you're it's kind of like you've already if you're already going to do a Halloween thing in a way, you know, you know it's going to be within certain parameters. And then there's no there's only so much you can do with a mask, right unless you're like attaching a bunch of stuff. I mean, so within reason, you kind of already know what to expect. So I think giving yourself some time to see if there's anything truly original and to seek out those those novel items, because those novel items are going to be the thing, especially if you already have a established attraction. You know, It's like people need different things. Your your new folks need to go to the established vendors to get the instructure, but people that have established attractions, they need something novel to get attention. And I want to say that one of the things that I think is most novel or when you when we say novel, it doesn't necessarily mean I just want to point this out. It doesn't necessarily mean that it looks different. But there may have been an upgrade or an improvement to make it feel better,
16:07 to make it more durable, to make it more wearable, like, for example, with masks. I know that with silicone masks, for example, there are so I can remember the very first time a silicone mask vendor appeared at trans World, and everybody thought it was the coolest thing in the world because Latex just silicone does so much more than what Latex could ever hope to do, and they were just bombarded. But what I've seen now is with more and more silicone mask vendors or silicon prop producers, the real innovation to me is how wearable they are, how comfortable they are. And so being here, you know you've got your tried and true and you know that that XYZ company is going to provide a great quality products. You can pre order that. But while you're here, it also gives you the oppertunity to see if either that company or other companies around them have found a way to make them more comfortable, more wearable for a longer period of time. They're all going to look great. You just have to next look at the next level then, and that and that you can really only do in person. You know, you can't. You can't try on a mask online, so it gives you the opportunity to get that accomplished. I love the fact that, you know, we do get to see new products, but new products means different things to different people, you know, as you say, if you if you're brand new, a new product is everything. It's everything on the floor if you've got an extension, if you've been working at it for many,
17:40 many years. The first thing I do when I walk the floor is I just walk really quick. I just walk up and down each aisle, and I can tell what's new because it strikes me as wait, I've never seen that before. Yeah, I really like that as a method. It's I didn't get a chance to do that until the actually the last day, I just did that. I did my fast walk today because I had a previously I had to work through. But I like the idea of going a show like this where there's so much any iopa as well. You know, yeah, you're oh, I do the same thing there. You need to go very fast and whatever catches your attention. It's good because it's the same thing as a guest, right who's being completely bombarded. And so for me, you know, some of the things that caught my attention this year, even though they weren't necessarily like new, like you said, but they you know is I'm always impressed by the Stilty Studios costumes because you know, they're the colors, the novelty of it, and that is something that makes you take a second look even when you're running. Sure, and that's important because that's going to do great in a park or do great in an attraction anywhere.
18:42 You know. In the Grub, the Silicon Grub from the Sidered Effects Silicon Grub, I tell you the Silicon Grub. The thing I liked about that is they actually uh sort of introduced that in social media prior to the show, and they basically invited you that was there. That was the where Krispy Kreme Hamburger I don't know. That was the thing that was like so completely weird that you had to come see, And so they pre announced it on social media and then when you came to their booth, it was sitting up front center and everybody who had seen it online walked up, including me, walked up, picked it up, cradled it like a baby, held it and was like, this is so cool, so it gave them not only the advantage to do a pre order because they had already pre announced it, but also those people who were teetering gave them the opportunity to hold it.
19:32 And by the way, it's great prop it's really cool. Give them the opportunity to hold it, see it, play with it. And it was immediately a conversation starter, so they could turn around and let people know about other products that they had to offer, So that was cool. The other thing, over and above the whole buying and selling and the whole networking side, the thing that I really really like about this particular event is the recognition of excellence. And since Philip worked so very hard on producing the Oscar Award for on Attraction Association and I was lucky enough to be the the MC for them, it was really really cool to see a packed ballroom. I don't think that's an overstatement. There was. It was standing room only.
20:17 They actually had to pull chairs from an adjacent ballroom to get people additional seating to recognize the best of the best, and it was from from my perspective, it was really watching a bunch of people see their peers do well and applaud it. Which was super cool. And you know, of course Ben Armstrong receiving the Lifetime Achievement Award is huge. Anybody who knows Ben Special Director's Award going to to Nick and Beverly Pappus's as the cheerleaders are. The Canon what was his last name? I know him Beasley? Yeah, Canon Beasley with the Make a Wish Foundation got a special award. It was really heartfelt, it was really supportive. And it's interesting because people always ask Stut, what do you think? And I'm like, my opinion really is invalid because I'm standing on stage with a microphone. I'm not in the I'm not in the crowd. But what really nailed it home for me because I thought it was a really good supportive room. But what really nailed at home for me was I had an attendee from Denmark come up to me after after the show at one of the bars gathering people and just said I wanted to I just want to say how impressed I was as to how heartfelt the oscars were and how it wasn't just a bunch of people saying patting each other on the back, saying you know, okay, vendor, you did a nice job.
21:45 And you did a nice job, and of course you get it, he said basically, in other award shows he's walked in knowing exactly who was going to win, just based on you know, the politics or the environment or whatever. But he said, this one really felt genuine and felt very supportive and very emotional, and I was like, okay, cool, that's kind of what we set out to do. So yeah, so that worked really well. The other thing we thought was important working into the awards, keeping it emotional, keeping it honest about that. But I think that's more. I think that's also part of the culture of the Haunt culture, you know as well, because it is and actually Ben's speech was incredible. It should actually be if you have a chance, because I know it exists on video.
22:30 Yeah, and I'll be making a version of it. You know, it exists on video if you have the chance, find it, because it was it was. It was incredible. It really wasn't a little bit. And I really liked how you know, because I had told, well, Scott and I had conversations, I would already pretty tired by then, and you know, yeah, because you know, Scot's always like, oh, the instry is great and I'm like sitting there, like, you know, I'm tired. I have but you know, I think you know, Ben's speaking as to how, no matter what you do in if you were in that room, you are a maker. You are an artist. You have a passion to create a thing that you don't understand. You'd like, you don't. You didn't ask for this passion. You don't understand this passion. It just is a thing that you have to deal with and you just accepted and you and you do it. And He's like, the people understand are here, right, And I'm like, I one hundred percent agree with that because that's why I haven't slept in four days. And I don't make a haunt. No, you just make videos about hats. Yeah, and many, many, many videos about hats. So I loved that portion of it.
23:30 I thought that that connected with the audience very well. I also, you know, when working with the board to produce the awards, we really wanted to make sure that we started to give a voice to the next generation. And I think the scholarship folks having videos in it, which hasn't always been the case. You never even used to know who won the scholarships, but seeing their faces is important also, that's why Canon was important because he is the next generation of and also encouraging young businesses, you know, having making like dedicating an award to a first year Haunt dedicated an award to a vendor that is under five years. That though, it's it's we're trying to put weave these into the awards so that you have a good balance of folks that have been operating successfully over twenty years and then and even longer in Ben's case, and then people that are just starting out because they may not make I me, you know, like you can't wait until the end to give them encouragement. That's that's like right. So I thought that I think the balance was good. Agree, And I'm glad that we did it. And I think that and I think that actually contributed to the emotional sincerity, yeah, because you know, people were it wasn't just the same good old boys and girls getting the same old awards and blah blah blah blah blah. You know, so like the newer, the newer products like Tera Roulette and the and the new the new vendor Savage Savage Silicones. Savage Silicons was really cute
25:07 because he had it written out, yes, and you know he's so nervous, and he was arrist and not all the you know it's haunters, right like not most of them did not write anything. They just kind of like talked, kind of winged it, you know, they kind of winged it, but even Ben. So it's funny given Ben's speech. Ben's speech was written out. But of course, if you know Ben Armstrong, you know that he has a background in television production, so he's he's been he's read from teleprompters for many, many years. And he got up there and he said, I wrote a speech which I'm going to half read, which is exactly what he did. He's sort of kind of he just wanted to make sure that he got all his his key points. The one thing I'm sorry, I want to circle back to Ben. The one thing that I found most interesting about Ben is Jen Taylor actually did the presentation for him, because they've been friends for many years and they have supported you know, he's been a staunch supporter of this of this show, the trans World show. And but she brought up a very interesting point, said, he is so unassuming and so approachable despite the fact that he has so much knowledge and so much experience, and so we kind of did. We kind of developed the phrase He's sort of like the undercurrent of the Haunted Attractions industry. You don't really see him, but he keeps everything flowing. Yeah, and I think that was I think it's a perfect reason for him to get the Lifetime Achievement Award.
26:22 And at the opposite end, for Savage Silicone, it was it was the perfect kind of encouragement for that person to realize, Okay, now it's time to step up. I've been recognized as time to step up. And at the same time, Nick and Beverly Pappus, who are the cheerleaders for the Haunted Attraction industry, to have them officially recognized. Everybody in the room knew who they were, but to have them officially recognized by the Haunted Attraction Association was was just cool. It was really neat. So that's did a good job basically. Yeah, it was another It was another opportunity to RECOGNI eyes to recognize excellence. So I know we're probably getting close on time.
27:04 I don't know. But one of the other things that I wanted to bring up very very quickly is about three minutes. Oh good, good, we have about three minutes. One of the other things I wanted to bring up then, not so quickly because we have three minutes, is when you come to a show like this, if you are a creator, if you are a maker, come come with very open eyes and ears, because you can be inspired not just on the trade show floor, but in conversations with the people, with the people around you. You know, I talked to I had a wonderful conversation with a haunter who came up to me and said, I based my entire haunt on I based my approach to coming up with a haunt on your books. And then he went on to explain his business model, and he went on to explain his expansion plan, and he went on and I was like, this is great, and he just like sparked me because I kept saying, oh, and you could do this, and what if you did that? And we were we became It became this little mini brainstorming session, which was really really cool. So it's it's that kind of be prepared to be inspired. Yeah, and don't get and don't be don't lock yourself off from it, don't be like no, no, I can't talk to you, and I can't talk to you. You mean to leave time exactly, Yes, mean, that's why I'm saying. You know, you can't pack the schedule and you need to you can't have so much work to do that you don't leave time to be inspired exactly exactly, because if you're doing that, you're only getting You're only getting You're you're missing out on a really powerful chunk of what this is all about, which is why I
28:37 think it's so important. And I realize some people use the social element of this to just get hammered, which you know that happens too, but but it's also why it's so important that we maintained those spaces to have those kind of group gatherings and and those people who have been in the industry for a while to talk to the people who haven't been in the industry for very long and continue that inspiration, because I honestly believe that that is what really draws people back. Everybody says it's to pick up the coolest new mask or the coolest new prop but honestly, it is the socialization that brings us all together. You know, I refer to it as the gathering of all the tribes and when what's interesting is now that Christmas is involved. Because when Christmas first started, the Christmas people and the haunt people were at opposite ends of the room. They were at opposite ends of the opposite ends of the convention center, divided by a walkway. I mean you had to keep them. Back in the Chicago days, they were in almost different convention centers, two different sides of the same one. But now I think we're seeing more and more of that coming together because haunters are building Christmas events. Christmas events are building haunted attractions. I have seen I did when I went into the cover of the Christmas Center. I saw a lot of haunters that were just asking questions to get to just figure stuff out. And I think that's important, right, having the people in front of you and you can ask the question to get that when you're saying about inspiration. I had a chance to talk chat
30:11 with the Wicked Maker folks actually who attended the oscares, and they told me that they were had an inspiration to make a video based off of some of the stuff they heard in the presentation. That's great, And they even asked if they could see portions of the script to kind of get to you know, have some of those details and get that whole thing. And that's exactly I mean, that's exactly like you don't even know where it's coming from, right, and you don't know if it's going to come from conversation or if you're at this at an event like this where you're hearing about all the haunts and what everyone is doing, and then that gives you inspiration to create a thing or make a video. You know. That's exactly it. And the other thing that I think is is important that we haven't mentioned yet, and I want to make sure because it is a very important part of this convention.
30:57 Uh, and so many of them, and that is the education side. There are many seminars. I forgot all about that too well, because again I was here to do a seminar. I taught a seminar on the Christmas side, and I attended a couple of seminars and talk to people about seminars. But the idea of being able to talk to people who've done the work, and maybe people who have done work comparable to yours. You can go to a seminar, I think for two or three basic reasons. One is I know nothing about this, but I want to One is I know something about this and I need validation. And finally is I know a whole bunch about this, but I want to make sure that that I'm not missing anything new. Right, It could be any of those three. And the coolest thing about any of the sessions is every single time you get a chance to talk to the presenter afterwards, usually out in the lobby. And then I had several people come up to me afterwards throughout the rest of the show to just kind of come up and say hello, and you know, here's here's what I got from your class, and here's what I'm continuing to get from the rest of this show. Well, because Philip is about to doze off right now, I'm so tired. Yeah, he's exhausted, and eventually we both have a plane to catch. It just keeps getting delayed, but our time is up. So from the trans World Halloween and Christmas show here in Saint Louis, Missouri on behalf of Philip Bernandez with Gantam Lighting and the Hunted Attraction Network and myself Scott Swinson from Scott Swinson Creative Development, this has been Green Tag Theme Park at thirty and we will see you at the next
32:30 trade show or just next week when we do another show Sea. Today's episode was edited by me Philip Hernandez, with post production by David Swape and original music composed by Chris Thomas. Support for today's episode comes from Gantum Lightning had Controls. Gantum illuminates attractions worldwide with the world's smallest intelligent spotlights. From Dark Hour to nether World, super Mario Land to Hagrid's Bike. Gantum goes where other fixtures can't see what you're missing. With a free demo, sign up at gantum dot com slash demo. That's scantum dot com slash demo. The h A N Team includes Daryl Plunky, Emily Luis Rua, Meghan Spells, Gavin Burns and Omniadventures. Until next Time, Stay Scary. This is a Haunted Attraction Network production
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